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Signs of U.S. Economic Recovery Abound 11-21-03 (Yahoo) NEW YORK (Reuters) - Factories in the U.S. Mid-Atlantic region expanded this month and fewer Americans lined up to collect unemployment benefits last week,

Greenspan Warns on Protectionism Dangers 11-20-03 (Yahoo) WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Federal Reserve (news - web sites) Chairman Alan Greenspan (news - web sites) on Thursday said it was "imperative" that emerging protectionism be vanquished before it hurts globalization -- key to the United States coping with record trade deficits.

Last Weeks Jobless Claims Fall 15,000 11-20-03 (Yahoo) WASHINGTON - Fewer U.S. workers filed new applications for unemployment benefits last week, a sign that companies may be feeling better about the economic recovery's staying power and are slowing the pace of layoffs.

Hot Jobs for 2004 11-20-03 (Yahoo) You're not alone. According to a recent Monster.com survey, 82% of Americans are dissatisfied with their jobs.

Dollar falls to all-time euro low 11-20-03 (BBC) The US dollar has fallen to an all-time low against the euro, amid fears over trade wars and reluctance by foreigners to finance the US trade deficit.

Tech Employment Dips, But Rate Slowing 11-20-03 (Yahoo) SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - High-technology industries in the United States lost 540,000 jobs last year,

Data Underestimates New Jobless Claims 11-20-03 (Yahoo) WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Labor Department (news - web sites), at the urging of Federal Reserve (news - web sites) Chairman Alan Greenspan (news - web sites),

LATIN AMERICA

Remote Easter Island Seeks Autonomy from Chile 11-21-03 (Yahoo) HANGA ROA, Chile (Reuters) - Hundreds of years ago the people of Easter Island carved and mounted the giant stone figures whose mystery now draws tourists to the world's most remote inhabited island.

U.S., Brazil Lock Horns over Future of Trade in Americas 11-21-03 (Yahoo) WASHINGTON, D.C., Nov 15 (IPS) - The United States appears to be revising its strategy for winning a threatened trade deal in the Americas by isolating Brazil,

Brazil landless arrive in capital 11-20-03 (BBC) The MST has been carrying out farm invasions More than 1,000 landless peasants in Brazil have arrived in the capital to call for wide-ranging land reform.

AFRICA

Masks Rock Africas Cradle of Voodoo, Explorer Says 11-20-03 (Yahoo) Editor's note: Chris Rainier is a National Geographic Society photographer and co-director of the Society's Ethnosphere Project,

OIL PRICES

Oil Drilling Gives Cancer Risk to N.Sea Fish -Study 11-21-03 (Yahoo) OSLO (Reuters) - Pollution from the oil platforms in the North Sea may be raising risks of cancer in fish, a Norwegian-led study showed on Thursday.

Oil Falls, Data Shows Rising Crude Stocks 11-20-03 (Yahoo) LONDON (Reuters) - Oil prices slipped off eight-month highs on Wednesday as U.S. inventory data showed a sizeable build in crude stocks and dealers took the opportunity to cash in on a surging rally the day before.

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11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: <arbitrary bombing, killing, detaining = terrorism, which is america's current policy.> It wasn't GNoE's policy before 9/11. Word to the wise: Don't attack GNoE. GNoE gets mean when it gets attacked. GNoE has a mean streak when terrorists bother it. Easy problem to avoid.

11-21-03 victorn: <They elect idiots> i didn't know that suharto was elected. :-)

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: Feel free to call it Norteamerica, EEUU, or even ... GNoE. You're going to say GNoE deserved 9/11 over the 'America' name business which annoys Latin Americans? Come on, there are better solutions to the name debacle than that. Feel free to change the name of the whole continent if you must. It was only named after an Italian guy who made good maps and there is nothing particularly sacred about it to anyone.

11-21-03 victorn: arbitrary bombing, killing, detaining = terrorism, which is america's current policy.

11-21-03 Primo: MP <There is no substitute for victory>. So what does victory mean to GNoE doers, achievers and other non-thinkers? What happens next?

11-21-03 victorn: how about this: the u.s. has invaded iraq without un approval and has engaged in state terrorism in iraq: bombing, killing, detaining, etc. bin laden practiced terrorism on the wtc. you have practiced state terrorism by bombing and killing thousands of innocent people. what is the difference? that the latter benefits your interests. this does not make it right or moral, though.

11-21-03 victorn: <should have thought about the consequences> the leaders of the country, and the american superiority complex that leads such leaders to make such decisions. such as 1) taking the name of a continent for yourselves, and most importantly 2) believing that you are God's chosen race to rule the world. this is ingrained in americans' hearts & brains. otherwise, such "democractic" people would not tolerate their govt pursuing such interference policy upon other countries.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: <the u.s. has sponsored state terrorism.>

Specificd, please. And explain how these specifics are relative to the matter at hand.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: <this is what george bush used to think until he went to indonesia. then he realized how much hate his current policy is generating in the muslim world.>

But did he waver? No.

The whole thing about the Indonesians is that they are surviving on a 1950s post-colonial eurosocialist populist system that has failed to bring prosperity to the country. They elect idiots. Indonesians are populists, they think that if they are poor, it must be because someone else is rich. Not Bob Hasan of course. And Soeharto is out of it thyese days. Much easier and a whole lot funner to wave one's fist and blame Omrika. You can make better headlines by blaming Omrika and feel much more important, and get aid money from Omrika, too. Will you do your country any favors as foreign investment moves the other way - to China?

Not really.

But do you think the average Indonesian upset with Omrika understands any of this? The answer is no.

11-21-03 victorn: <They like good guys, they don't like terrorists> the u.s. has sponsored state terrorism. there are no good guys in this story. talking in terms of "good guys" is american infantilism.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: <mp i do not go as far as claiming any of that. being against us policy does not imply embracing such atrocities.> But you yourself said that Americans deserved what they got, should have thought about the consequences of <some amorphous policy> before they lost 3000 people (including nationals from about 100 other nations). If that wasn't an atrocity, what was? You say 9/11 is GNoE's fault and I have no doubt that you believe this.

Reminder: Bush was in office less than one year when this attack took place. Most of the policy moves you must be thinking of were executed under his enemy, the corrupt and disgraced Clinton. I agree with you if you dislike this Grifter. I do, too. That's why I voted against his successor back in 2000.

11-21-03 victorn: mp, <it's not about being against Arabs> this is what george bush used to think until he went to indonesia. then he realized how much hate his current policy is generating in the muslim world.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: <mp, you see, the world is <not> you are either with us or against us. the tragedy of americans is that they fail to understand this very simple point.> Americans are very results oriented. They don't sit in a Paris cafe debating existential points and pointing out shades of gray.

There is no substitute for victory.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: <spaniards have been dealing with arabs for many centuries. it is a disgrace for spain that now they have become allies of a country that has very little experience dealing with these people.> Number one, it's not about being against Arabs. Why can't you distinguish between friendly Arabs and binladenite terrorists? I don't call all Arabs terrorists or binladen lovers. Most aren't. Most hate bin Laden's suicide squads just as much as Spaniards do. It almosts seems that you do think all Arabs are alike, though.

Spaniards are free people. Can't the Spaniards pick which side they'd like to be on? They like good guys, they don't like terrorists.

11-21-03 victorn: mp, you see, the world is <not> you are either with us or against us. the tragedy of americans is that they fail to understand this very simple point.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Add Castro to the list. No, he wasn't made dictator for life and The Great Impoverisher by GNoE's government, bumbling and stupid as they are.

11-21-03 victorn: mp i do not go as far as claiming any of that. being against us policy does not imply embracing such atrocities.

11-21-03 victorn: <These are not citizens we are talking about, Vic. These are slaves> spaniards have been dealing with arabs for many centuries. it is a disgrace for spain that now they have become allies of a country that has very little experience dealing with these people.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: So you're saying guys like Mugabe, Duhaladron, Castro's Houseboy, Obote, Ceaucescu, U Nu, the monster running Belarus, the megalomaniac running Turkmenistan, the freak running Somalia and every other clown dictator isn't a cutthroat, thug or ladron? You seem to think that monstrous leaders like these were put into power by the GNoE. Yet their relationship with GNoE has been nothing but adversarial. You seem to think that any third world country in trouble had its troubles imported from GNoE, and corruption, incompetence, theft and thuggery have nothing to do with it, no indigenous roots, no impact on why there are so many hellholes out there. No one with any sense would buy this.

Giving Mugabe or any other cutthroat ladron my wealth won't make a better world. There is no need to submit to these unfit scum for 'moral reasons.'

11-21-03 victorn: carib <you regret Hitler did not win the last world war> unbelievable, you still do not understand what i said. i was indifferent to hitler, which is different. <and that Franco, the spanish dictator, was a great guy>, wait a second. franco was the by-product of an internal problem of spain. he did not go around invading or declaring war upon other countries, not even in ww2 in spite of all the pressure he had to do so. even his political enemies admired him for this. He was an <extremely> prudent person. when he saw that he could not keep the african colonies, he gave them up without a fight, even though he made his career in africa. Right now he must be revolting in his tomb watching what aznar has done. Needless to say, he would not have invaded iraq. So claiming that the americans are way ahead in terms of morality... i don't think so.

11-21-03 victorn: <Since we are dealing with demonstrated cutthroats, thugs, and ladrones out there in the Injured World. Get real> i know innocent people who have been harmed by america, and use such words to describe the self-proclaimed paladins of the world.

11-21-03 victorn: mp do you think that those arab dictatorships that you mentioned represent the people of those countries? the reason why this will not end until you leave those lands is because american hate will thrive as long as you remain there.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: <they have no land and no respect. I am only expecting that they lose.> Carib is right. There is no title deed in those state-dominated satrapies. Therefore there is no ownership. They own nothing because they do not have the Invisible Institutions that are necessary for owning them. As for respect, unless one is a monk, few people have self-respect who do not own things.

These are not citizens we are talking about, Vic. These are slaves.

11-21-03 carib: Victorn: forgive my impertinence. The americans have plenty of defects, I agree. But everything is relative. You see, here you posted that in a way you regret Hitler did not win the last world war, and that Franco, the spanish dictator, was a great guy. Sorry, in relative terms, the Americans still come on the top by several miles, in "moral" terms.

11-21-03 moneypenny: OK, Vic. Suppose what you say is true. What am I and all the other GNoEcci supposed to do? Kill myself? Turn over my wealth? What would I gain from this? Since we are dealing with demonstrated cutthroats, thugs, and ladrones out there in the Injured World. Get real.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: <you really think you can win a war against 2 billion muslims?> We are not at war with 2 billion Muslims. Indonesia threw its Bali and Jakarta hotel bombers in jail and is loading up its bullets for their firing squads. Malaysia tossed its terrorist scumbags in the can without trial and intends to hold them for two years. Singapore rounded its dirtbags up and made them sing like canaries. Pakistan is holding that dissolute fat slob who killed Daniel Pearl in one of its famous spa-prisons. A lot of Muslim states don't like what is going on and realize that they themselves are about to be slaughtered unless they fight back - Jordan, for instance. Saudi itself has come to realize that the terrorists intend to kill them, too. Booby-trapped Korans aren't exactly meant for GNoEcci, they are meant to kill Muslims. Who the heck was killed in the last go-round of neighborhood car-bombing in Saudi? Hint: It wasn't GNoEcci.

11-21-03 victorn: american justice & morality, to be precise.

11-21-03 carib: It would be very stupid for the US to think the war is against <2 billion muslims> That is what those bugs would like us to do. No thanks. Erdogan is muslim and even <islamic>...but he is a very nce chap, just for example...and so are 99% of the turks. Tecnically, yes, the US could win a war against two billion muslim, but it would be veeery stupid to even think such a war is necessary, and the post-war world would be a veery ugly place. No thanks.

11-21-03 victorn: mp, you can not talk to me in terms of american justice (those tower people didn't deserve to die) when your own hands have been dripping blood of innocent people for many years before that attack.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: Bush lost New York in the election. That means most of the people in those towers voted against him. This isn't about changing government - the people in those towers, as a group, did all they could to not elect him. Were they supposed to assassinate him since they didn't get their way? The people in terrorist-free Alabama and Texas were the ones who elected Bush. Why didn't the terrorists strike there, if cause and effect is so important in your logic? Your criticism of GNoE is highly amorphous.

11-21-03 victorn: hi wally, can you get bond prices to drop? :-)

11-21-03 carib: Hi, Wally. Can you get Bradynet to update bond prices with some Fiji voodoo, or we will have to migrate to JPM until Fiji is over?

11-21-03 victorn: mp <And they will be> you really think you can win a war against 2 billion muslims?

11-21-03 wally: hola colores! at least one small life sign from Fiji 3 1/2. everybody seems to be very happy and satisfied with the progress we have made during the last three days. more details not available at this time as we are busy 25 hours day (we gain that addtional hour because we skip lunch break)

:~))

11-21-03 carib: they have no land and no respect. I am only expecting that they lose.

11-21-03 victorn: carib, <no, thank you>, then if you are not willing to respect their land, don't expect them to respect you or your land.

11-21-03 carib: Turkey did not invade Iraq (in the end)...Morocco did not invade Iraq or Palestine...Bali did not invade anyone....and they got their share of bombs. Sorry, it's a war. A war is always bloody and bad. But one has to take sides, and mine appears to be the opposite than yours.

11-21-03 victorn: mp, obviously, they don't deserve it. but they are responsible for the leaders they choose. just like germans are responsible for choosing hitler to represent them. and no, i don't want more attacks on america. but i also don't want americans dropping daisy cutters in third countries, killing innocent people, while claiming they are the freedom fighters, which is american hypocrisy at its best.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Carib: Strong leadership makes a difference. But I think everyone learned the lessons of Vietnam, too - you don't cut and run. Agree with you that the reaction is something to be proud of. It is.

11-21-03 carib: Victorn: no, thank you.

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: Why? Why should anyone do them any favors? After what they did, there is no need to be nice to them or concern ourselves about what they think. There is only the need to stomp them out like bugs. And they will be. This is not Vietnam.

11-21-03 carib: MP: I have spent too long away from Italy to be a reliable observer, but the surprising thing for me was not so much the flag, the identification with the victims...rather the understanding of the need to avoid yielding, the understanding of where the frontier is. In a way, it's a mature reaction, and I feel proud of it.

11-21-03 victorn: <I rather feel like encouraging them to blow themselves up in solitude> how about if your country starts by pulling out of their land?

11-21-03 moneypenny: Vic: I don't think many of the denizens of the North Tower or the South Tower were busying themselves interfering with the internal affairs of other countries as they were not generally civil servants or political appointees. The GNoE government may have or have had bad policies but that hardly justifies killing Cantor Fitzgerald treasury-desk traders and destroying Rodin sculptures. And did all the dead have the same views about things? Some agreed with GNoE administration policies and some despised them. Shouldn't the terrorists have tried to sort them out at least? I can't believe you think any of them deserved this.

11-21-03 carib: Victorn: I am not at all <content> about the situation. But I do not feel like <winning the hearts and minds of terrorists>, I rather feel like encouraging them to blow themselves up in solitude. And I feel those Carabinieri who were blown up died for me too...It makes me even willing to pay some taxes to help arming them better, as a matter of fact.

11-21-03 victorn: <an absolute ocean of stars and stripes when the pain was the greatest> these are the consequences which you should have thought about before going around interfering in the affairs of other countries.

11-21-03 victorn: carib, i wonder if you would be so content about this situation if your own children were being deployed to iraq.

mp, miami. i never liked ny. nyers don't talk; they bite. now i don't even like miami. let's face it, all what americans want is a bunch of subordinate leaders, who will send their own citizens to die for american interests. americans are now even sending clinton with similar pathetic messages, saying that foreigners need to send more troops to iraq. i don't think so... americans need to send more troops to iraq. you started this mess going against the un. now you send your children to die and then be brought back to america in plastic bags. don't be cowards and expect others to die for you.

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