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Vic, believe me or not but it vas more, but now, I am in a consevative mode, only 25%/year
Carib, if you expecting about 25% return/year, ofcause there are some risk, but I think , a follow up every day make me feel confortable, I need it, it is my pleasure...it would be booooring to invest at 10%/year with no risk...now, I really need to laga Antwerp..see you demain..
Vic, before I go to laga Antverp, how it can collapse in the same time ? If you have a schwein in crude oil a schwein in gas,a schwein in delta, a shwein in Evergreen, a schwein in hylsa, a schwein in bally, a schwein in level 3, etc.. and hedged by selling calls on their schtocks ? it is a pure no blainer portfolio, objective is about 20 to 25% clip /year for the future, but I will not tell you what I made the last 2 years, you would not believe me...
It was obviously a great trade, one in which many of us did not believe, and for which you have all the credit, particularly because it was a complex one ... but isn't it already all story?
Just asking.. please do not feel offended.........
Wally, if I have to decide today, I probably would favor buying Ecu 12 (assuming that one does not have already many Ecu bonds and diversification is not a consideration)
<I love CESP, the 14% coupon!> what seems too good to be true most probably is (in the long run). for me C€SP was just a short play which was never meant to last more than a year. that it lasted a only a couple of months was a mere coincidence triggered by the present EM debt environment.
my question to both of you is: "how do you compare a corporate (C€SP) yielding 14% with a sovereign (Guanita12) yielding slightly more AND possesses a shorter maturity?"
Carib, at that time Cesp 04 was selling at 70-72. My argument was that chances of CESP going into default after April 2005 were slim(which you were concerned about) and hence CESP 04 offered a better value Now CESP 05 could represent a bettter value if can be bought at a much lower price than CESP 11. In any case both CESPs turned out to be good investments.
<I think you hit on a very important issue. In recent weeks, natural gas stocks have been strong, ABP weak. Higher NG prices should permit improved cash flow for ABP. However, the benefit from this falls to the debtholders, as the company is restricted to $10mm for capital expenditures, therefore higher bond and lower stock price. It is unable to exploit its asset base at a time of high ng prices. The financing agreement is a disaster, although perhaps the best that Watson could get under the circumstances. I also do not see any reason for debtholders to loosen the pursestrings without being given something in return. I am not sure what this could be. My feeling is without a takeover by a credit worthy e&p company, this stock is dead. Since Watson and friends have made and continue to make a nice living running ABP, I'm not sure they would work hard to be acquired. Any thoughts on how restrictive financing issue could be resolved without shareholders being hurt would be appreciated. <I happen to hold the bonds only. And what you state is correct. IMHO the only thing the co can do is keep improving on it's revenue growth, free cashflow, profitability, and it's proven reserves so that at a given moment (when I don't know) the bondholders will be satisfied enough to get the restrictions off. I hope it will be soon. <The company will have great difficulty increasing its proven asset base at this level of capital expenditures. Why would debtholders ever agree to allowing the increase in cap spending unless the benefits fell to them. ABP reminds me of a company in Chapter 11, where the stockholders have no say and the debtholders run the company. As I see it, and I am usually wrong, the only hope for shareholders is a takeover. Based on Watson's record and the fact that if the assets were so valuable, why hasn't it happened yet, I am pessimistic here. I agreee with you that the bonds are the way to play here. The financing agreement that ABP has in place is a noose that probably won't be loosened soon. >>
carib, I agree with you ! However, Ecu already (hair) cut the bond value to 25% as a result of two restructurings! Next hair cut? It has to be a close shave to the scalp!
therefore, my max investment in EM country blonds is at 3 %
another no-blainer, buy the blond, short the schtock
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Victor, I will consider entering politics if you come here and endorse my candidacy publicly. Domincans love Spanish royalty(persons related or connected to the Spanish royalty
Merugo. already about 75-80% was thrown away! ………as a result of two restructurings.
Your timing was excellent and I have a great admiration for your investment abilities. Morever, I made some money( almost enough to buy a refrigerator, a new laptop and possibly some spare batteries) following your advice in Mendoza(I still have the bonds ) and PBA bonds(sold them).
However, I consider it too harsh a judgement for the Savo rating agency to lower by several notches Ecu bond ratings(from AA to SD) solely based the political support to Guti and Pozo. To my knowledge, Guti and Pozo are not paying the coupons from their pockets!
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