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mach ma
viel Spaß
stimmt, aber es wird schwächer, ist auf jedenfall ein Riesenunterschied, ob man schon 82 oder erst 41 ist....
ich weiß nicht, aber z.B. in Holland ist es echt schlimm mit diesen plötzlichen Todesfällen in Heimen etc.
Und da sind so manche Ärzte mit verantwortlich.
Beweisen kann man natürlich nix, von wegen Knast
Ärzte haben sicherlich eine andere Einstellung zum Tod und sehen das etwas unsentimentaler. Letztendlich halte ich es nicht für sinnvoll diese Grenzfälle alle gesetzlich zu regeln. Es ist besser das in der Grauzohne zu lassen, damit die Ärzte voll in der Verantwortung stehen. Die nehmen ja schließlich auf Ihre Kappe, notfalls in den Knast zu wandern.
Kirchen kritisieren Sterbehilfe im Fall Schiavo
27. Mär 10:01, ergänzt 10:15
Die beiden großen Kirchen in Deutschland haben dazu aufgerufen, Leben zu schützen. Kardinal Lehmann warnte vor Sterbehilfe als «verführerischer Idee».
Die Repräsentanten von katholischer und evangelischer Kirche in Deutschland haben das Schicksal der US-amerikanischen Wachkoma-Patientin Terri Schiavo in den Mittelpunkt ihrer Osterpredigten gestellt. Der Vorsitzende der Deutschen Bischofskonferenz, Kardinal Karl Lehmann, sagte im Mainzer Dom, es sei keine Lösung, Menschen etwa durch Verhungern schneller in den Tod zu befördern. Der sterbende Mensch dürfe nicht zum Objekt degradiert werden.
Mit Blick auf den Fall der US-Amerikanerin Terri Schiavo warnte Lehmann vor Sterbehilfe als «verführerischer Idee». Er mahnte, Menschen an ihrem Lebensende zu begleiten gehöre zu den sieben Werken der Barmherzigkeit. «Der Arzt darf das kreatürliche und solidarische Fundament des Menschseins, das Arzt und Patient miteinander elementar verbindet, nicht auflösen», so Lehmann. Die Segnungen der Medizin würden zur Bürde, wenn die Verlängerung des lebens für die Beteiligten zur Qual werde.
Huber für Patientenverfügungen
Ähnlich äußerte sich der Ratsvorsitzende der Evangelischen Kirche in Deutschland (EKD), Bischof Wolfgang Huber. In seiner Predigt im Berliner Dom sagte er, das Leben sei in seiner Begrenztheit ein kostbares Geschenk aus Gottes Hand, über das «weder an seinem Beginn noch an seinem Ende» willkürlich verfügt werden dürfe. «Deshalb wenden wir uns auch jetzt gegen jede Vorstellung davon, dass die aktive Sterbehilfe, der bewusst herbeigeführte Tod ins Kalkül gezogen wird», so Huber. Andere Wege seien nötig und möglich.
Der EKD-Ratsvorsitzende sprach sich ausdrücklich für Patientenverfügungen aus. Damit werde die Fürsorge von anderen nicht außer Kraft gesetzt, sondern ihr werde die Richtung gewiesen. «Wie gut wäre es gewesen, wenn Terri Schiavo sich mit solcher Klarheit hätte äußern können», sagte Huber. «Wenn Menschen im Vorhinein beschreiben, wann für sie diese Zeit gekommen sein wird, dann ist dies zu respektieren.»
«Sterbephase»
Für Patientenverfügungen plädiert auch der Trierer Bischof Reinhard Marx. Im Deutschlandfunk betonte er aber, dass diese erst greifen dürften, wenn die «Sterbephase» eingetreten sei. Ein Wachkoma wie im Fall der US-Amerikanerin Terri Schiavo sei keine Sterbephase. Marx räumte ein, dass es Diskussionen über deren Beginn geben könne. Wichtig sei aber, dass man unmissverständlich wisse, was der Patient gewollt habe.
Aktive Sterbehilfe lehnt Bischof Marx strikt ab. Kein Mensch habe ein Recht, seinen eigenen Tod zu bestimmen, so wie er auch nicht das Recht habe, sich selber ins Leben zu bringen, sagte er. Passive Sterbehilfe könne es zwar geben. Für Christen sei das menschliche Leben aber dennoch in jeder Phase unantastbar. (nz)
mal sehen was Schleswig Holstein bringt
can't follow here
<Terri Sciavo isn't my sister>: happy you. That's probably the only legal headache bigger than argentina investors'.
<I don't have a sister anyhow>: why do <they> want to kill her then, if she doesn't exist?
Schiavo's parents urge Gov. Bush to take action after another legal loss
BY SANDY BAUERS
Knight Ridder Newspapers
PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - (KRT) - As Terri Schiavo entered her ninth day without food or water, her parents lost another court battle Saturday and abandoned their quest for a federal court review.
Saturday night, through a spokesman, Bob and Mary Schindler asked Gov. Jeb Bush to take Schiavo into protective custody in a last-ditch effort to save her life.
"Gov. Bush, you do have the authority to stop the killing of Terri Schiavo," said Brother Paul O'Donnell, a Schindler family spokesman. "... We beg you to have courage and take action."
Other appeals to have the severely brain-damaged woman's feeding tube reinserted are pending before state courts, but as the day wore on the Schindlers' hopes seemed to slip away.
O'Donnell said at about 9 p.m. EST that Terri "is really showing signs of starvation and dehydration. ... Tonight, we begin the holy celebration of Easter. The family would request that everyone go home. Be with your children. Hold them close. And cherish every moment you have with them.
"Tomorrow, as we celebrate Easter, they pray that you gather in the churches of your own denominations and if you would, offer a prayer for their daughter Terri."
He said the family would give no more interviews.
Earlier in the day, after a visit with his daughter, Bob Schindler said she was "fighting like hell to stay alive," and that he wanted "the powers that be to know that. It's not too late to save her."
"She's not throwing in the towel," he said. "She doesn't want to die."
Schiavo has been in what doctors have termed a "persistent vegetative state" since collapsing in 1990.
Michael Schiavo has said his wife would not want to be kept alive artificially, and has fought the Schindlers' efforts to have a feeding tube re-inserted. George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney, contended Saturday that "any fair observer of this situation would say the legal struggle is over here," and that "any further legal action is going to be futile."
He also said he felt neither Bush nor legislators would step in.
"There's a real perceptible shift in public opinion here. I think the politicians have backed off this case," he said. "I think the politicians here realize they made an erroneous judgment as to what might be in their interests."
He said he could understand the parents' "desperate efforts in this case, but I would hope that at some point before Terri's death they would leave that behind and begin to try to cope with this more on a personal level."
As before, there were conflicting reports about how she looked.
Felos said he had been to see Terri earlier that day, and she was "calm, peaceful, resting comfortably." In fact, he said, she looked "beautiful" and that in the eight years he has been working on the case, he had never seen her have such "a look of peace and beauty."
Terri's brother, Bobby Schindler, however, lashed out later, saying Felos' comments were "the most absurd thing I have ever heard. ... They mischaracterized her condition today, just as they mischaracterized it for five years. It is sick, it is heinous."
He said he was suggesting that his parents not go visit Terri any more.
Felos said it was "obvious that those opposed to carrying out Terri's wishes, lacking a legal case, have tried to stir up emotions and get people angry and to have people believe that something wrong is occurring here. And it's just simply not the case."
On the day before Easter, the families also sparred over whether Terri, a Roman Catholic, could be given communion.
Felos said that the court had ordered that the sacraments could be administered twice. A family friend, Msgr. Thaddeus Malanowski, administered last rites shortly before Terri's feeding tube was taken out on March 18. The priest said he used an eye dropper to put a small amount of wine into the tube.
Felos said the timing of the last communion would be up to Michael Schiavo and Terri's health care providers.
It was a somber day outside the Woodside Hospice, with demonstrators shushing the crowd when the Schindlers appeared and calling after them as they left, "God Bless You."
News photographers have previously jostled each other and surrounded the family as they made their way across the street to the hospice from a small store where they have secluded themselves; Saturday, they formed a more orderly cordon and the Schindlers walked through unimpeded.
By late afternoon, the crowd of demonstrators had swollen to nearly 300 people, all but about three or four in favor of reinserting Terri's feeding tube. More than 100 stood praying and singing "Ave Maria" as Msgr. Malanowski performed mass at an impromptu altar made from a folding table.
A single demonstrator was arrested for trespassing, bringing the total to 31, including six juveniles, the youngest of whom is ten, said Pinellas Park Police Capt. Sanfield Forseth.
He said demonstrators had been alerting the police when they saw potential problems. "They want a peaceful event," Forseth said. "They don't want anyone to mess it up."
When Felos spoke outside his office, four law enforcement officers stood nearby. Security has been tight for those involved in the case; Pinellas Circuit Judge George Greer and Michael Schiavo have received death threats.
Greer's ruling Saturday was another setback for the Schindlers. Greer rejected the family's claim that she tried to say "I want to live" hours before her tube was removed. The family appealed that ruling, but late Saturday the Florida Supreme Court rejected their appeal.
In addition, Bush and the state have two appeals pending in their fight to support the Schindlers; those appeals are before the state's 2nd District Court of Appeal.
Bush has already tried to take Schiavo into protective custody, but was denied by a Pinellas Circuit judge. On Thursday, Bush said his powers "are not as expansive as people would want them to be. ... I cannot go beyond what my powers are and I'm not going to do it."
If medical estimates that Terri Schiavo's death could take place 10 to 14 days after her feeding tube is removed are correct, she could die within days.
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ich habe ja einen ähnlichen Fall, meine Mutter (82) ist zuhause in ihrer WOhnung in Frankfurt und hat kompletten Alzheimer.
Sie wird von 2 poln. Krankenschwestern gepflegt und es kommt ein Pflegedienst.
Wir haben seit 6 Monaten eine Magensonde für die Ernährung und der Zustand ist STABIL.
Ich kenne eine Menge Fälle da sind wesentlich gesündere Bekannte (Heimbewohner) plötzlich gestorben....
Also.....den Ärzten trau ich keine 2cm
NICHT weil sie böswillig, sondern weil sie überlastet sind und jeden der alt & genrechlich ist nicht wirklich Ernst nehmen.
Wir tun wirklich das MAXIMUM, mehr geht nicht !!!!
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