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Posted by IBCUSA (Thursday, July 24, 2008)
How to Avoid Letter of Credit Frauds (L/C) ?
How to Avoid Letter of Credit Frauds (L/C) ?

For the sake of new investors ("green horns")not being taken to the cleaners, it is highly recommended for the investor (beneficiary), to obtain the correct confirmation in writing--from the advising bank---that the L/C is real and not a piece of worthless piece of paper.

Wide scope of international frauds

International frauds are now growing at an alarming rate due to popularity of the Internet and modern computers. The “scopes” can be classified into many categories, such as HYIP (High Yield Investment Programs / PPP), unclaimed estates, dormant bank accounts, deposit frauds, lucky draws, long distance calls, black USD currency notes at discount and many other. Rightfully so, readers of this forum are mainly concerned about this topic, For now, I would like to narrow down the scope to letters of credit (L/C) and its related frauds.

How to avoid a fake L/C?

Today, due to popularity of the SWIFT (Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication) standard messages, that are issued at low cost, easy to use, fast, highly reliable and very secured (so far hackers have not found a way to break into it), nearly all L/Cs are issued by SWIFT standard message. Only the senior management of banks have the authority to authorize sending of SWIFT messages. Hence L/Cs issued or otherwise advised by SWIFT messages should all be genuine. Even on rare occasions, a few "fake" L/Cs were in fact issued by senior managers in banks, due to one or other reasons (read: bribe), they should be considered still valid by local law because they were issued by authorized persons in the bank. The issuing bank must take up the legal responsibility. L/Cs issued by SWIFT are most safe hence if we are holding an L/C issued by an issuing bank, "signed" by an authorized manager (in fact we do not see any signature on the L/C advised by a SWIFT message but the internal documents in the issuing bank should show the signature of the senior managers who authorized such issue), it should be a valid payment undertaking, provided that the presented documents have no discrepancy.

The first step to avoid fake L/C is to insist on SWIFT advised L/C. The receiving banker may check with the advising bank to verify "whether the original L/C is in fact transmitted by a SWIFT message from the issuing bank to the advising bank", although the L/C from the advising bank to a beneficiary is not by a SWIFT message (simply because SWIFT is not available to the retail end of the consumer chart).

From my experience in dealing with L/C, most fake L/Cs are issued either by airmail, fax or telex. Since there is no provision in either the uniform rules governing L/C, the UCP 500, or any banking legislation and regulations, to restrict an L/C to be issued only by SWIFT messages, it follows that L/C can be issued by any means. Due to the popularity of SWIFT messages, L/Cs issued by other means should be treated with caution to avoid frauds. Under UCP 500 Article 7 (a) the advising bank has a duty to check for the "apparent" authenticity of the L/C.

Otherwise the advising bank has an obligation [under Article 7 (b)] to notify the beneficiary without delay, its inability to obtain apparent authenticity of the L/C so advised. But the level of authenticity is only up to the so-called "apparent" level. It does not mean "real" or "factual" authenticity. The advising bank is also protected (Article 15) not to be liable or responsible for the genuineness, falsification or legal effect of the L/C so advised.

Check for authenticity of L/C received by airmail, fax or telex. It is highly recommended for the investor (“the beneficiary”) to obtain confirmation of the L/C in writing---from the advising bank---for the authenticity of the L/C.

Sometimes, you may have to pay additional banking charges, if the advising bank considers that it has exercised reasonable care as required under Article 7 (b) and refuses to do anything else. You have to understand that the L/C market is highly competitive and the advising bank must control its cost carefully in order to safeguard its slim profit margin out of the thin advising fees received. Therefore, the advising bank might ask for additional service charge for doing additional work to meet your request.

For a “green horn” (amateur) investor, with low funds, the service charge may put an extra burden on its operating cost. Even so, it is highly advisable for the investor to check the authenticity of the L/C. Ignoring this advise, simply based on the extra expense, would be a mistake. Don’t be---“Penny wise and dollar foolish!.”

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07-28-08  STBS: Mikespumps:

What i waste of time you are!!!


07-28-08  Mikespumps: michael cunt copyed my posts too. stbs is write. stbs like to copy other artilces and he nows how to do it to.

07-28-08  STBS: Michael:

Remember that I told you not to "copy" the CMO Offer from A.E. (As i know in fact he was not very happy) and you did it again with this information.

A "real" Banker (as you personal told everybody that you are one of the largest financial companies in the world) would not even "use" this Forum or know about this Forum as a "real" Banker is too busy all the time.

A "real" Banker would not "copy and past" as even write himself a article about the Banking Industry or even use the Information only for himself as and of course it is never too late to learn.

It seems to be that members like "thatsagoodone" as others are right with their statements about you. But i know in fact that you are not a serious banker.

Therefore: Stop "copy" and posting information and offers from others and try the next time something on your "own" account.


07-27-08  WhatAJerk: Michael Hunt/IBCUSA. What a jerk! You never wrote this article! Nice one!!!

YOU STEAL SOME GUY'S ARTICLE OFF THE INTERNET - COPY IT WORD FOR WORD. TRY TO PASS IT OFF AS YOUR OWN. What a jerk!


07-26-08  thatsagoodone: honesty and integrity into doubt?
It was in doubt since day one when he claimed his company was one of the largest financial companies in the world.

07-26-08  FoxNews: I am not sure what all this nonsense is about Mandarin and Cantonese Chinese, etc. Here below is the first part of the article that IBCUSA plagiarized and tried to pawn of as his own work product.

SURE LOOKS LIKES YANKEE ENGLISH TO ME!!!

For your information, the full article was written by Mr. T.O. Lee, and not be Michael Hunt/IBCUSA, as he would have us believe. The article, IN GLORIOUS ENGLISH, can be found at http://www.tolee.com/html/avoid_int... (which is where Mr. Hunt likely found it).

And I am still waiting for MR HUNT/IBCUSA to apologize for stealing the work product of Mr. Lee. As I said, it puts Michael Hunts honesty and integrity into doubt.

Here is the first part of the article plagiarized by Michael. It is word-for-word identical to his version. Judge for yourself:

How to avoid fake L/C? (By Mr. T.O. Lee)

Today, due to popularity of the SWIFT (Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication) standard messages, that are low cost, easy to use, fast, highly reliable and very secured (so far not yet broken by any hacker), nearly all L/Cs are issued by SWIFT standard messages. Only the senior management of banks has the authority to authorise sending of SWIFT messages. Hence L/Cs issued or otherwise advised by SWIFT messages should all be genuine. Even on rare occasions, a few "fake" L/Cs were in fact issued by senior managers in banks, due to one or other reasons, they should be considered still valid by local law because they were issued by authorised persons in the banks. The issuing banks must take up the legal responsibility.


07-26-08  assetsmgr: Interesting exchange on a language that is foreign to most, especially IBCUSA.

1) There is ONLY one written language in China that is UNDERSTOOD by all Chinese, i.e. those that still reads and writes Chinese.

2) Mandarin is what it is called. Whether you are Cantonese, Hainanese, Shanghainese, etc.., the written language is one and the same.

3) Mandarin in itself is the dialect of Peking/Beijing.

4) It is only the verbal part that differs from province to province. Thats' where the dialects kicks in. No southerner can communicates with a northerner in their respective dialects. It will be a scene between a cat and a dog. Until both speaks and communicates using the Beijing dialect (i.e. Mandarin) they have the written language to guide them along.

To conclude ... Mandarin/Chinese/Cantonese/Shanghainese/Hainanese etc.. they are all but one same language in written form. The Cantonese written language is the same as everyone else in China, i.e. Mandarin!

As for Letter of Credit.
This is a NONE issue.

Anyone that deals with international trade knows very well that L/C is sent and received thru' the banking institution via SWIFT. Not by post nor other courier means from the sender!

The beneficiary bank will receive the L/C, and will therein after informs its' client of such, and provide the client with a copy.

To save guard against default of payment from the sender, ALWAYS demand the L/C as Irrevocable Confirmed Letter of Credit Payable at Sight thru' beneficiary bank counter.


07-25-08  Mikespumps: mike cunt and foxnews hited me for upfront fees and thatsagoodone offer to suck my dick instead of me payin upfront fees.

07-25-08  thatsagoodone: Again, you stupid cunt. How is the article written in Cantonese you stupid ass? Do the characters say it was written in southern China vs Northern China? There is only one WRITTEN language and that is CHINESE. There are many DIALECTS spoken in China. You are too stupid to understand the difference with your limited education

The fact reamins you stole the article and said it was yours, no ifs, ands or buts. The article was not translated. It was written that way. Changing a few words does not make the article yours. You did not share the article, you plagarized it.


07-25-08  IBCUSA: FoxNews: I appreciate your comments. It is good to finally come across someone with a sense of common courtesy and ethics. My intent is to share great articles to help members of this board to receive an education and prevent thieves from stealing from "green horn" investors. As I mentioned on my previous response, the original article was incorrectly translated and used terms not applicable to the majority of the readers of this forum. There are only two members of this board that their sole participation is to posts vulgar comments and I am sure glad that there is one reader (besides Robert Cohen) with a sense of courtesy. Which is very rare here.

And by the way, in response to the other poster: In China there are several spoken dialects. The main ones are Mandarin and Cantonese. The fact that you claim the original article was written in "Chinese" is like saying that "Carlos Fuentes, Mexican writer and author" writes his novels in "Mexican". I guess when you question my "lack" of education, you are only mirroring your own shortcomings.


07-24-08  FoxNews: Please, thatsagoodone. Don't use that kind of language. Its not necessary. You have made your point. So have I. We all make mistakes - IBCUSA was wrong, and he surely knows it. Let's now allow IBCUSA an opportunity to reflect on his misdeed. We want to encourage him to actively participate on the Board, and bring fresh ideas to the Forum - not chase him away.

07-24-08  thatsagoodone: First of all you stupid cunt, it was not written in Cantonese as there is only one written language and it is CHINESE. IS reading Chinese another one of your many lies? Only an idiot like you who has not finished grade school would not know the difference. If you were in university ( highly doubtful) and did the same thing you would have been expelled immediately. This is called plagarism

Second, Mr Lee always writes his columns is english. Have you checked out his web site? He does not need you to re-write his columns since you know shit about shit.

Your only contribution to this forum is to steal and lie. You have been exposed.


07-24-08  FoxNews: While I don't agree with thatsagoodone's use of vulgarity, its plain to me that you plaguarized someone else's work product and tried to pawn it off as your own. That is wrong, and it needs to be categorically so stated. Its bad form - and it calls into question your honesty and integrity.

Now let's see if you are man enough to admit your mistake. Take the hit. And promise that it will not happen again. Hopefully, you are up to the task. If not, pity you.

And, by the way, to try to align yourself with Robert/Legal Counsel as a "fellow educator" is way offbase. Legal Counsel, to the best of my knowledge, has self-authored over 70 articles on BradyNet over the years - and he writes a monthly Newsletter as well. Sure he may, at times, rely on general research, but as far as I know (and I do know Legal Counsel) he writes the articles himself, largely from scratch, in his own language and style (a time-consuming chore, I am told); and he doesn't resort to plagerizing other people's articles or taking credit for work he didn't do.

So consider yourself chastened - and please don't let it happen again. By all means, write articles to educate the rest of us. We all want to learn - that's what we appreciate so much about Robert/Legal Counsel. But don't be so lazy and dishonest as to steal the work of others. IT DOES YOU NO CREDIT AT ALL!


07-24-08  IBCUSA: thatsagoodone, good for nothing. If you take the time to open the link, you will see the following: (1) the original article was written in Cantonese and not in English. (2)The English translation was a poor one, at that. (3) If you print the original "translation" and place it next to mine, you will see a whole world of differences. If you ever finished basic schooling, which I would question it, you should be able to spot the difference. The bottom line is this: (a) You show lack of back bone as you continue to hide your true identity behind a moniker and (b) you make absolutely no contribution to this forum, other than post idiotic posts. The facts speak louder than your dumb comments. I will continue to contribute to this forum, with the intent to educate those who are willing to open my posts and read them. You, on the other side, have nothing to contribute, but waste everyone's time with your dumb comments. And, once again, you are a vulgar individual that in due time should fade onto the darkness and leave this forum. Eventually, this forum will get rid of the Nigerians and idiots like you.

To the members of this forum: Posters like me and Robert Cohen, will post articles with you, the readers, with the intent to share with you, topics being discussed here and somewhere else. If the original post was written in a foreign language, and the translation did not do justice to the original message, excuse me for trying to correct the translation and try to help the reader to guard themselves from potential criminals. Malintent posters, like "thatsagoodone", would do anything in their power to prevent readers from receiving warnings about potential frauds. There are people on this world that have inner anger and pity toward themselves and as you can see, "thatsagoodone" has no problem making an ass of himself by showcasing his lack of education and obviously, his lack of class.


07-24-08  thatsagoodone: you are one stupid ass. A ghost writer writes for somebody else with their permission, dumbass. You lifted this article word for word like a thief would do and did not credit the author. Did they not teach you this in high school dummy?

The more you write the more stupid you are. Please do us all a favor and do not come back to this board. You make the scamming NIGERIANS look good.


07-24-08  IBCUSA: He does not own the "advice" and the procedures are not his either. Gee, the advice is golden. Have you ever heard of "a ghost writer"? I guess not.

07-24-08  thatsagoodone: Michael Cunt:

How low can you go?
You lifted this from another website: http://www.network54.com/Forum/2770... ...and claim it yours.

How can you ever come back to this site again. You are a liar and thief.


07-24-08  STBS: Michael:

Why do you not post the link of the "original" poster. "Copy and out!"

http://www.tolee.com/html/avoid_int...

STBS


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