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Posted by moneypenny (Thursday, February 13, 2003)
Military History Of France
Currently making the rounds in the military community: The Complete Military History of France

- Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

- Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."

-Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

- Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

- Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

- War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

-The Dutch War - Tied

-War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

-War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

- American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

- French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

- The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

- The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

- World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

-World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

- War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

- Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

- War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador, fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage." -Donald Rumsfeld

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02-26-03  ozymiani: <ONANUS> saga.

I received the Nth e-mail: <onanus>' lawyer writes me that his client has nothing to do with <wine>.

Which tells me that:

<onegus> is not only a coward french, he is also the only <frog> who doesn't even drink or trade good wine.

is this a sad man, or ?


02-26-03  ozymiani: recent onegus' history:

this is the last e-mai I received by Onegus.

I had guessed what kind of business such a gentleman could be running.

Well, looks like he is a serious trader after all:

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02-25-03  Onegus: RECENT AMERICAN HISTORY

In a CNN interview on September 18, 2002, former President and CIA Director George H.W. Bush declared that he "hates" Saddam Hussein. The historical fact that the elder Bush "loved" Saddam Hussein-as a key Middle East ally, a CIA asset, and partner in numerous illegal business partnerships. Indeed, the recalcitrant Saddam Hussein poses a grave threat, i.e., to the secrecy that cloaks the Bush family's involvement in some of the most unsavory episodes in American history.

Most people have forgotten that members of the Reagan-Bush administrations armed the Iraqi regime with these WMDs. As documented by US Congressional records, the Reagan administration—with VP George H.W. Bush spearheading top-level policy—furnished Iraq with the biological and chemical materials, throughout the 1980s. This continued through Bush I's administration, right up to the start of the Gulf War.

The poison gas used in the Iran-Iraq War was manufactured using ingredients supplied by LaFarge Corporation, of which Bush was a substantial owner, and Hillary Clinton was a director.

On July 3, 1991, the Financial Times reported that a Florida company run by an Iraqi national had produced cyanide—some of which went to Iraq for use in chemical weapons—and had shipped it via a CIA contractor. Bush then manufactured a "conflict of interest waiver" that absolved his administration from criminal prosecution. Of course, this waiver was kept secret from Congress.

Details of another direct Bush-Iraq tie emerged in September 1992, when a six-month investigation by John Connolly in Spy Magazine exposed that Wackenhut Corporation (a CIA front company) ferried equipment for the manufacture of chemical weapons to Iraq in 1990. George Wackenhut is a close friend of the Bush family, and has made enormous contributions to the campaigns of all Bush family members who have run for office.

A New York Times page one story (8/18/02), "Officers Say US Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas," revealed that the Reagan administration provided Iraq with battle planning assistance despite knowledge that chemical weapons were being used against Iran.

Members of the current Bush administration, leftovers from the previous Bush reign, were also heavily involved. Journalist Jeremy Scahill reported that in 1984, "Donald Rumsfeld was in a position to draw the world's attention to Saddam's chemical threat. He was in Baghdad as the UN concluded that chemical weapons had been used against Iran. He was armed with a fresh communication from the State Department that it had available evidence Iraq was using chemical weapons. But Rumsfeld said nothing."

Reagan-Bush also provided Saddam with dual-use technology—computers, armored vehicles, helicopters, chemicals—through a vast network of companies, based in the U.S. and abroad.

According to the Financial Times, top officials at the International Monetary Fund and the Pentagon expressed alarm over Export-Import Bank loan guarantees to Iraq, which abetted the development and stockpiling of a major chemical warfare capability in Iraq. Among the companies shipping technology to Iraq were Hewlett-Packard, Tektronix, and Matrix Churchill.

As CIA director, and throughout the Reagan-Bush administrations, Bush senior funneled money to Saddam Hussein without congressional approval, through the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) and Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL). It was through these loans and other covert arrangements that Iraq's war machine was armed.

BCCI itself was a product of the Soviet-Afghan War, the primary covert bank for the CIA, global crime syndicates, and virtually every world government. Among BCCI's other clients were the Medellin Cartel, Manuel Noriega, and Golden Triangle heroin warlord Khun Sa.

The connection between the Bush family and BCCI remains intact today. Former BCCI executive and Carlyle Group investor Khalid bin Mahfouz is the banker for the Saudi royal family, and connected to both the Bush and bin Laden families. A business association with Texas investment banker and CIA-connected James Bath ties George W. Bush directly to Osama bin Laden and BCCI. Bath co-owned Arbusto Energy with the junior Bush. Bath was a broker for the bin Laden financial empire, and bin Mahfouz's portfolio manager.

As noted by Russ W. Baker in the Columbia Journalism Review (March/April 1993), the BNL, "relying partially on U.S. taxpayer-guaranteed loans, funneled $5 billion to Iraq from 1985 to 1989".

In the book Defrauding America, investigator and former federal inspector Rodney Stich documents the BNL-Iraqgate case in even greater detail:

"Some of the money furnished by the US was used to purchase poison gas that was used on an Iraqi Kurdish village, much of it purchased through Cardeon Industries in Chile, a CIA asset. According to documents, CIA deliberately withheld evidence of the transactions. US District Judge Marvin Shoob: 'The employees of BNL were pawns or bit players in a far larger and wider-ranging sophisticated conspiracy that involved BNL-Rome and possibly large American and foreign corporations and the governments of the United States, England, Italy and Iraq.'"

According to investigator Sherman Skolnick, George H.W. Bush and Saddam Hussein enjoyed a lucrative personal relationship that went far beyond official diplomatic business.

In documents obtained in Case No. 90C 6863, The People of the State of Illinois ex rel Willis C. Harris vs. the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (US Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, Chicago), the suppressed bank records of BNL involved secret private joint business partnerships between Bush and Saddam Hussein, who reportedly split $250 billion in Persian Gulf oil kickbacks between 1980 and 1990, which were funneled through BCCI.

Skolnick is the founder/chairman of Citizen's Committee To Clean Up the Courts, a public interest group that investigates judicial bribery and political murders. His investigations have sent numerous judges to jail.

To date, no one has refuted Skolnick's charges, nor the facts of the Harris v. Federal Reserve court record.

On November 1, 2001, George W. Bush issued an Executive Order declaring that in light of the national emergency of 9/11, the release of papers from the Reagan and George H.W. Bush presidencies would remain sealed—even though the release of these documents is mandated by the Presidential Records Act of 1978.

: After the first Gulf War, we left Saddam in power against our wishes.

Saddam was deliberately left in place (albeit disarmed and crippled) as a "lingering threat" so that the US could 1) justify a permanent military presence in Saudi Arabia (and other neighboring countries) and throughout the immediate region to police Middle East oil, and 2) organise a coup or insurrection, and install a new puppet regime in Baghdad acceptable to the US (the second step has been in the works since 1991, and has been difficult to execute) and 3) curtail the ability of OPEC to influence world oil prices.


02-25-03  Onegus: ozymini,
Nobody cares about yout stupid cut & past. It works as a mirror : when the message is excessive, it becomes pointless. Anyway, it shows clearly what kind of people you : denounciation, xenophobic jokes, disinformation, call for lynchage... Yes, you sound exactly like the french nazi collabos during WWII. You are the coward calling friends like a chick : "hey ! hey ! I'm attaqued by a frog, come help me ! come help me !" You are just pathetic, has your administration... French cowards ? Ha ha ! We are not affraid to stand up against the BIG AMERICA will. And you know what ? THE WORLD IS BEHIND US ! That's what makes the WhiteHouse warmongers mad, cause they just can't do anything against it. Economical reprisals ? Ha ha ! USA are less than 10% of our foreign economic exchanges... Go on, boycott wine and cheese, you don't have enought good taste to appreciate it anyway. Sure you won't boycott our #1 nuclear technology, wich could be more efficient, unless your warmongers leaders need it... Another crap I saw on some rightist american web site : send the statue of liberty back to the senders. Yeah, sure, send it us back, CAUSE YOU JUST DON'T DESERVE IT ANYMORE. We'll send it back again later, when the REAL AMERICA will wake-up and trow out the criminals who have STOLEN THE SOUL OF AMERICA ! ozymini, you are just a small ignorant ridiculous person.

02-25-03  ozymiani: another e-mail from the anonymous french friend.

I was right: he is very friendly and polite:

<Don't come back crying again when the next WTC will occur, redneck!>

I only hope that <the next WTC> is performed directly by the French Army: they would probably hit the Tour Eiffel


02-25-03  ozymiani: hu-ho: did I say <shy>? Did I call our frog friend <shy> for not daring to attack me in public?

I'm sorry: I meant to say <coward>.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

*burp*

Next, please.


02-25-03  ozymiani: <onegus> is a bit shy (all french pansies are), and he chose to send me the following message by private mail.

Since the joke is really (really) funny, and Onegus was very kind and polite, I will post the message here on his behalf

Here's the mail I received today:

<A joke to meditate, you analyst of my balls :

Tony Blair phones George Bush, and asks : - "What proof do you have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?" And Bush replies :
- "We kept the receipts".

And screw you, you Rumsfeld cock sucker !>

I dunno if the last line is part of the joke, or some kind of pass on me.

By the way, one-gus's private mail address is: <onegus@voila.fr>.

Since he is so fond of harassing people through private mail, I hope that the mail-address diggers who routinely scan <bradynet> will contact him ASAP offering him as well, offering him <confidential> business opportunities.


02-24-03  Onegus: TO REFRESH SOME SHORT US MEMORIES
Settle down and listen up
Time for a quick primer on French history.

AUSTIN, Texas -- As our coaches used to say, "OK, people, settle down and listen up." We have been enjoying a lovely little spate of French-bashing here lately. Jonah Goldberg of The National Review, who admits that French-bashing is "shtick" -- as it is to many American comedians -- has popularized the phrase "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" to describe the French. It gets a lot less attractive than that.

George Will saw fit to include in his latest Newsweek column this joke: "How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris? No one knows, it's never been tried." That was certainly amusing. One million, four hundred thousand French soldiers were killed during World War I. As a result, there weren't many Frenchmen left to fight in World War II. Nevertheless, 100,000 French soldiers lost their lives trying to stop Hitler.

On behalf of every one of those 100,000 men, I would like to thank Mr. Will for his clever joke. They were out-manned, out-gunned, out-generaled and, above all, out-tanked. They got slaughtered, but they stood and they fought. Ha-ha, how funny. In the few places where they had tanks, they held splendidly.

Relying on the Maginot Line was one of the great military follies of modern history, but it does not reflect on the courage of those who died for France in 1940. For eighteen months after that execrable defeat, the United States of America continued to have cordial diplomatic relations with Nazi Germany.

One of the great what-ifs of history is: What would have happened if Franklin Roosevelt had lived to the end of his last term? How many wars have been lost in the peace? For those of you who have not read "Paris 1919," I recommend it highly. Roosevelt was anti-colonialist. That system was a great evil, a greater horror even than Nazism or Stalinism.

If you have read "Leopold's Ghost" by Adam Hochschild, you have some idea. The French were in it up to their necks. Instead of insisting on freedom for the colonies of Europe, we let our allies carry on with the system, leaving the British in India and Africa, and the French in Vietnam and Algeria, to everyone's eventual regret.

Surrender monkeys? Try Dien Bien Phu. Yes, the French did surrender, didn't they? After 6,000 French dead in a no-hope position. Ever heard of the Foreign Legion? Of the paratroopers, called "paras"? God, the trouble we could have saved ourselves if we had only paid attention to Dien Bien Phu.

Then came Algeria for the French. As nasty a war as has ever been fought. If you have seen the film "Battle of Algiers," you have some idea. Five generations of pieds noirs, French colonialists, thought it was their country. Charles de Gaulle came back into power in 1958, specifically elected to keep Algeria French. I consider de Gaulle's long, slow, delicate, elephantine withdrawal (de Gaulle even looked like an elephant) one of the single greatest acts of statesmanship in history. Only de Gaulle could have done that.

Those were the years when France learned about terrorism. The plastiquers were all over Paris. The "plastic" bombs, the ones you can stick like Play-Do underneath the ledge of some building, were the popular weapon du jour. It made Israel today look tame. For France, terrorism is, "Been there, done that."

The other night on "60 Minutes," Andy Rooney, who fought in France and certainly has a right to be critical, chided the French for forgetting all that sacrifice (100,000 Frenchmen died trying to stop Hitler in 1940, and 150,000 Allied troops died to liberate that nation in 1944.) But I think he got it backward: The French remember too well.

I was in Paris on Sept. 11, 2001. The reaction was so immediate, so generous, so overwhelming. Not just the government, but the people kept bringing flowers to the American embassy. They covered the American Cathedral, the American Church, anything they could find that was American. They didn't just leave flowers, they wrote notes with them. I read over 100 of them. Not only did they refer, again and again, to Normandy, to never forgetting, there were even some in ancient, spidery handwriting referring to WW I: "Lafayette is still with you."

Look, the French are not a touchy-feely people. They're more, like, logical. For them to approach total strangers in the streets who look American and hug them is seriously extraordinary. I got patted so much I felt like a Labrador retriever. I wish Andy Rooney had been there.

This is where I think the real difference is. We Americans are famously ahistorical. We can barely be bothered to remember what happened last week, or last month, much less last year. The French are really stuck on history. (Some might claim this is because the French are better educated than we are. I won't go there.) Does it not occur to anyone that these are very old friends of ours, trying to tell us what they think they know about being hated by weak enemies in the Third World? http://www.workingforchange.com/art...


02-21-03  ozymiani: Q: What did the mayor of Paris say to the German Army as they entered the city in WWII?

A: "Table for 100,000 m'sieur?"


02-21-03  ozymiani: "You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He is French, people."

--Conan O'Brien


02-21-03  ozymiani: Q: What does the word "Maginot" mean in English?

A: "Welcome!"


02-21-03  ozymiani: Q: Why are there so many tree-lined boulevards in France?

A: Germans like to march in the shade.


02-21-03  ozymiani: Q: How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?

A: Nobody knows. They've never tried.


02-21-03  ozymiani: What do you expect from a culture and a nation that exerted more of its national will fighting against Disney World and Big Mac's than the Nazis?

02-21-03  ozymiani: "The French will only agree to go to war in Iraq after we've proven we've found truffles there."

D. Rumsfeld


02-21-03  ozymiani: House Speaker Dennis Hastert is so angry at France for opposing White House policy on Iraq that he's proposed requiring orange warning labels on every bottle of imported French wine. Let's guess.

The warning label will read, <Just Two Glasses Could Make Dictators with Mustaches Appear Less Threatening Than They Really Are>.


02-21-03  ozymiani: <this letter is an "URBAN LEGEND" and is FALSE.> dumbo, it's a JOKE, and a GOOD joke!

"urban legend"... heh heh


02-21-03  ozymiani: love at first sight?

http://www.consilia.com/nuke_them/s...

Guess who is the second from the left, AND who is the one on the far right?

And why are they dressed like doctors? What kind of facility are they visiting? A mad house? A milk factory?


02-20-03  mrbig1492: Check www.snopes.com and search under: A Marine serving in Bosnia subjected a French officer to a verbal chiding.

You will find that this letter is an "URBAN LEGEND" and is FALSE.

Check your sources more carefully next time.


02-14-03  moneypenny: An actual letter from home from a marine with the multinational force in Bosnia:

Dear Dad,
A funny thing happened to me yesterday at Camp Bondsteel (Bosnia): A French army officer walked up to me in the PX, and told me he thought we (Americans) were a bunch of cowboys and were going to provoke a war in Iraq. He said if such a thing happens, we wouldn't be able to count on the support of France.

I told him that it didn't surprise me. Since we had come to France's rescue in World War I, World War II, Vietnam, and the Cold War, their ingratitude and jealousy was due to surface (again) at some point in the near future anyway.
I also told him that is why France is a third-rate military power with a socialist economy and a bunch of pansies for soldiers. I additionally told him that America, being a nation of deeds and action, not words, would do whatever it had to do, and France's support, if it ever came, was only for show anyway. Just like in All NATO exercises, the US would shoulder 85% of the burden, and provide 85% of the support, as evidenced by the fact that this French officer was shopping in the American PX, and not the other way around.

He began to get belligerent at that point, and I told him if he would like to, I would meet him outside in front of the Burger King and whip his ass in front of the entire Multi-National Brigade East, thus demonstrating that even the smallest American had more fight in him than the average Frenchman.
With friends like these, who needs enemies? Dad, tell Mom I love her.
Your loving daughter
Mary Beth Johnson
LtCol., USMC




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